Class Discussion, Room #2
Date
2/4/98
Start log: Wednesday, February 4, 1998 3:27:40 pm Virtual
Park Hall time --
AndrewGo has arrived.
ScottFr has arrived.
KurtDa has arrived.
ScottFr say, "Kurt having problems with the computer"
AndrewGo laughs.
NickSm has arrived.
AndrewGo says, "You know, loos plug and all"
KurtDa says, "yes"
ScottFr say, "shhhh"
KurtDa says, "shutup"
ScottFr say, "where's hot stuff"
AndrewGo says, "Probably didn't finish paper"
KurtDa says, "you mean mommy?"
AndrewGo says, "I read it but it was only half way done"
ScottFr say, "how is everybodies paper, except for her's"
AndrewGo says, "I'm done, all of it"
Mr.Cole has arrived.
KurtDa says, "I'm done"
ScottFr say, "even the revising"
AndrewGo says, "Got my girlfriend to do it last night"
Mr.Cole says, "Hi, folks. Thought I would visit today."
AndrewGo says, "cool"
Mr.Cole says, "I HEARD that Andrew."
KurtDa says, "what's up"
AndrewGo says, "She only proofread"
NickSm says, "busted"
AndrewGo says, "And she is good too"
ScottFr say, "I e-mailed to my parents to proofread and they just sent it back"
AndrewGo says, "I have one question Mr. C"
ScottFr say, "I am giving it to my sister next"
Mr.Cole says, "I quite recommend getting other people to proofread, if you can con them into it. It's good to get a fresh set of eyes on your paper."
KurtDa says, "why don't you send it to us"
Mr.Cole says, "What's your question, Andy?"
AndrewGo says, "When quote somebody, when the sentence ends, where does the period go-after the last word in quotations or after the parenthesis"
Mr.Cole says, "I should add the caveat, of course, that _you_ have to be the final judge of your own writing. Other people can be wrong."
ScottFr say, "Mr. C, do you have to put the parenthesis for the author's name or can you just say so and so wrote this in his article, yada yada yada"
Mr.Cole says, "Nice question, Andy. If there is a parenthetical reference (and there usually should be), the end punctuation of your sentence comes after the ref. EXCEPT in a block quotation, where there is no punctuation after the ref. Don't a
sk me why. That's just the way they do it."
Mr.Cole says, "You can name the author in your writing and omit the name from the reference (as long as it remains clear that the author you name is the author of thw quotation)."
AndrewGo says, "Mr. C is this correct--Bell Hooks states, 'The academic setting is separate only when we work to make it so' (90)."
Mr.Cole says, "Perfect, Andy. Though hooks insists on spelling her name without capital letters and people usually respect that in writing about her. Like e.e. cummings."
ScottFr say, "so I do I need a works citied page if I put Bell Hooks stated this in her article "whatever" and then state the quotation"
AndrewGo says, "Would you have counted that wrong"
ScottFr say, "whats wrong with capitals, why doesn't she dig it"
AndrewGo says, "Why is that anyway"
Mr.Cole says, "Scott: Always need a Works cited list if you cite works. Andy: I wouldn't have counted off, but I would have noted it. "
Mr.Cole says, "I can't answer that. Sorry."
ScottFr say, "damn, my leg is asleep"
AndrewGo says, "Also, about the works cited, how do we do that with the follow-ups and all"
KurtDa has disconnected.
AndrewGo says, "Not again"
ScottFr say, "poor guy"
Mr.Cole says, "I'm not sure what you mean, Andy."
AndrewGo says, "Do we put a works cited at the end of our paper when we post it"
ScottFr say, "uh-oh I think aol is kicking me off"
ScottFr say, "am I still here?"
AndrewGo says, "Yeah"
ScottFr say, "odd"
ScottFr say, "I shouldn't be"
Mr.Cole says, "Yup. Just skip a line or two. Put the words 'Works Cited' on a line by themselves and then put in your entries. Because we are using plain text, you can't bother with cenytering and indenting and all."
ScottFr say, "sweet"
ScottFr say, "or should I say sweeeeet"
Mr.Cole says, "I'm going to update the style sheet page, by the way to cover a few of these issues."
AndrewGo says, "Okay also does SM have procedures on how to document anthlogies"
AndrewGo says, "Or whatever Presence of others is"
ScottFr say, "what about when we paste it and it wrap arounds all silly"
Mr.Cole says, "Yeah, St. Martin's has examples of just about every kind of source you can imagine."
AndrewGo says, "Cool, thanks"
Mr.Cole says, "as long as you kip lines between paragraphs, I can deal with funny word wraps. I have a cool text editor at home."
Mr.Cole says, "_skip_ lines, that is""
ScottFr say, "cool, so I dont have to fix it after I paste"
ScottFr say, "Jerry Springer is on, I can hear beeps constantly from the next room"
Mr.Cole says, "So, no substantive questions about papers. You are all down to mechanical editing?"
The housekeeper arrives to cart KurtDa off to bed.
AndrewGo says, "Not really"
AndrewGo says, "Imean no substantive questions"
AndrewGo says, "Man, I can not type"
Mr.Cole says, "Nick? Any problems?"
ScottFr say, "sick, sick people that need counseling real bad"
ScottFr say, "why would anyone go on tv to do that stuff"
NickSm says, "well one thing. I know we have to have two quotes, but i can only find one place to use one. Should I try to force a second?"
Mr.Cole says, "OK, then. Clock says 4:15. I guess y'all can split. Good luck on papers. _DO_ keep up with the reading, by the way."
ScottFr say, "gratsi, chow"
ScottFr goes out.
AndrewGo says, "Alright, see you later."
AndrewGo has disconnected.
Mr.Cole says, "I hate to say you should force anything, but I doubt there are no other sources that you can find that might support your paper OR serve to illustrate a view you are arguing against, for example."
Mr.Cole says, "I have to tell the others they can go."
Mr.Cole goes out.
NickSm goes out.
[Mr.Cole's Classroom] NickSm has arrived.
[Mr.Cole's Classroom] Mr.Cole says, "It's time. You can leave. KEEP UP WITH THE READING, please."
[Mr.Cole's Classroom] FrankBl has arrived.
[Mr.Cole's Classroom] AnandVy has arrived.
[Mr.Cole's Classroom] FrankBl has disconnected.
End log: Wednesday, February 4, 1998 4:19:40 pm Virtual Park Hall time --