Class Discussion,
Main Room
Date 1/26/98
Start log: Monday, January 26, 1998
3:13:43 pm Virtual Park Hall time --
MaggieCa says, "I don't know I left because I was getting really frustrated"
KurtDa says, "I've been in class all day, I haven't had a chance to see it"
Mr.Cole says, "Hi, folks."
MaggieCa says, "hello Mr. Cole"
KurtDa says, "hey Mr. Cole"
JulieOw says, "what sorority are you in Maggie"
JasonOg says, "hey Mr. Cole"
MaggieCa says, "Alpha Delta Pi"
JulieOw says, "Hey Mr.C"
ScottFr say, "oh, anyway I agreed with you 110%"
JulieOw says, "Do you know Jenny Pope"
Mr.Cole says, "Yeah, Julie?"
KurtDa says, "cool"
MaggieCa says, "are you in one?"
JulieOw says, "Naaa not me"
Mr.Cole says, "Oops, sorry."
MaggieCa says, "yes I love that girl. She's great"
JoeSa has arrived.
JulieOw says, "We are from the same home town"
JasonOg says, "It doesn't matter if your in a fraternity or not, I love everybody"
MaggieCa says, "Me too. Hi Joe"
KurtDa says, "preach on brother Jason"
JoeSa says, "Hi Maggie"
MaggieCa says, "y'all crack me up sometimes."
KurtDa says, "we try."
MaggieCa says, "i know. "
MaggieCa says, "What's going on today?"
JoeSa says, "laugh"
JoeSa says, "woops"
JoeSa laughs.
KurtDa says, "Mr. Cole, can we see about getting a virtual couch in room two?"
ScottFr say, "what did you just do, Joe?"
JoeSa says, "Uh... were talking about Rich and Newman"
Mr.Cole says, "Um, yeah, sure, Kurt."
NickSm has arrived.
JoeSa says, "I accidentally hit the quotation marks to laugh"
ScottFr goes out.
ScottFr has arrived.
MaggieCa falls out of her chair
KurtDa says, "thanks Mr. cole"
JulieOw says, "you ok Maggie?"
Mr.Cole says, "It doesn't DO anything, but it's yours (well, group 2's)"
JoeSa laughs hysterically
KurtDa says, "awsome"
JulieOw says, "Good Job Kurt"
MaggieCa says, "sorry i had to experiment to see if I knew how to do it still"
ScottFr say, "how do you fall out of your chair"
KurtDa says, "thanks Julie"
MaggieCa says, "i don't really know. It's the first thing that came to mind"
Mr.Cole says, "I have to do a couple things. I'll be back."
Mr.Cole leaves for the One.
JoeSa says, "i dont think thats what scotts talking about"
MaggieCa says, "what are you talking about scott?"
ScottFr say, "what do you type to do it?"
JoeSa says, "Scott, you have to hit the colon before you do an action"
FrankBl has arrived.
KurtDa laughs.
MaggieCa says, "you do it the same way you smile or laugh"
KurtDa smiles.
JoeSa says, "no parenthesis"
ScottFr fall down the stairs
JasonOg laughs
MaggieCa laughs.
JoeSa laughs.
ScottFr say, "sweet"
KurtDa laughs.
ScottFr say, "now I have to come up with some good ones"
KurtDa says, "Man, I can't fall, my computer won't do it."
JoeSa says whats so funny?
JoeSa falls
MaggieCa says, "great, I can't wait"
JoeSa says, "hit the colon first, kurt"
ScottFr punches his computer
JulieOw laughs
KurtDa says, "I do, it doesn't work"
AndrewGo has arrived.
JasonOg saw Kurt pick his nose
Mr.Cole has arrived.
JoeSa says sorry Kurt
ScottFr say, "be right back"
KurtDa says, "It will laugh and smile, but that's about it"
JulieOw rolls her eyes
MaggieCa says, "are you hitting the ; or the :"
JoeSa says, "good point, Maggie"
KurtDa says, "I hit the colon, the computer doesn't like me."
MaggieCa hits her neighbor because he's breathing heavily
Mr.Cole says, "OK, folks. We're a little short, but let's get started anyway."
KurtDa says, "Hey Maggie, what are you doing make your neighbor breath so heavily"
Mr.Cole says, "How has the reading been going?"
MiMa has arrived.
MaggieCa says, "okay"
KurtDa says, "I didn't like that rich woman"
FrankBl says, "it has been going"
JoeSa says, "its pretty good stuff that you got us reading"
MaggieCa says, "nothing Kurt"
KurtDa laughs.
JasonOg says, "Its expanding my mind"
KurtDa says, "yeah right"
NickSm says, "Rich bites"
KurtDa says, "It's good stuff to respond to."
MaggieCa says, "i'm enjoying most of it"
KurtDa says, "agreed Nick"
MaggieCa says, "They're both kind of ignorant or maybe naive"
JoeSa says, "I kinda like what Rich had to say, from a certain perspective"
NickSm says, "im all for equal rights and privledges between the sexes but come on..."
ScottFr say, "crazy people"
NickSm says, "she wanted men burning in hell so women could rule the Earth"
JasonOg says, "I thought Neusner was pretty cool"
Mr.Cole says, "How about the reading in _Structure of Argument_? I don't talk about it much in class because I prefer the other stuff, should we talk more about those issues?"
MaggieCa says, "she does take things a little too far"
ScottFr gives a standing ovation
JulieOw says, "way too far"
MaggieCa says, "which issues?"
NickSm yells "amen"
KurtDa says, "I like SA better than the other book."
JoeSa says, "I like this book better"
JasonOg says, "we do talk about those issues"
Mr.Cole says, ""Rhetorical" issues. How arguments work and such."
FrankBl says, "Jason where is the rest of our group"
MaggieCa says, "well SA is straight forward and doesn't require much discussion"
ShannonMc has arrived.
JasonOg says, "I have no clue Frank"
FrankBl says, "the SA arguments tend to be things that we already know"
FrankBl says, "Shannon just got here"
JasonOg says, "yess"
ShannonMc says, "I am here "
JoeSa says, "Uh that might be good to learn the theory, but we already know how to argue, Mr. Cole"
ShannonMc says, "what are we talking about"
Mr.Cole says, "OK, then. If there are ever questions from that reading, let me know, but for the most part we'll use this time for discussing the theme-cenntered arguments."
KurtDa says, "But do you know how to argue effectively"
ScottFr say, "you think you do"
FrankBl says, "the three aticles"
Dr.Ballif has arrived.
NickSm says, "its harder than you think..."
FrankBl says, "articles"
MaggieCa says, "hello Dr. Ballif"
Dr.Ballif says, "hey Maggie, how are you doing?"
JoeSa says, "Cest est bon question, Kurt!"
MaggieCa says, "just fine thank you, and you"
NickSm says, "on parle englais ici..."
KurtDa says, "I speak english and Spanish, but thats it."
Dr.Ballif says, "very good. glad to see you're still around in this virtual world. I'm just here to observe. "
Mr.Cole says, "So, I put assignments on the note boards in your rooms. Each group has a pretty different topic. Again, I would like you to elect a leader (new ones please) to report your findings during the last part of class."
JoeSa says, "I said that's a good question, Kurt"
KurtDa says, "ok, see you"
NickSm says, "hey Kurt, what room are we in?"
JasonOg leaves for the Three.
JulieOw leaves for the Two.
KurtDa says, "two"
ScottFr say, "do we go now?"
MiMa says, "bye""
NickSm leaves for the Two.
KurtDa leaves for the Two.
FrankBl says, "Jason you got it this time"
AndrewGo says, "two"
MiMa leaves for the One.
JoeSa leaves for the One.
ShannonMc leaves for the Three.
ScottFr leaves for the Two.
Dr.Ballif leaves for the One.
AndrewGo leaves for the Two.
FrankBl leaves for the Three.
Mr.Cole says, "Unless there are questions, you can get starterd"
MaggieCa waves goodbye
MaggieCa leaves for the One.
Dr.Ballif has arrived.
Dr.Ballif goes out.
ScottFr has arrived.
JulieOw has arrived.
ScottFr say, "Mr. Cole how do we look at it again"
Mr.Cole says, "What's up, folks?"
JulieOw leaves for the Two.
ScottFr goes out.
ScottFr has arrived.
ScottFr leaves for the Two.
Mr.Cole says, "type 'read 4 on note' for today's assignment "
Mr.Cole says, "type 'read 4 on note' for today's assignment "
Mr.Cole leaves for the Three.
Mr.Cole has arrived.
Mr.Cole leaves for the Two.
Dr.Ballif has arrived.
JenniferCa has arrived.
JenniferCa leaves for the Three.
WendyFr has arrived.
WendyFr leaves for the One.
AnandVy has arrived.
AnandVy leaves for the One.
Dr.Ballif leaves for the Two.
Dr.Ballif has arrived.
Mr.Cole has arrived.
ScottFr has arrived.
ScottFr leaves for the Two.
Mr.Cole says, "Hey, everyone. Get your groups together and come on out here for group reports."
JasonOg has arrived.
ShannonMc has arrived.
MaggieCa has arrived.
FrankBl has arrived.
AnandVy has arrived.
JenniferCa has arrived.
WendyFr has arrived.
MiMa has arrived.
JoeSa has arrived.
ShannonMc says, "Frank, ar e you watching?"
JoeSa says, "hey Shannon"
WendyFr says, "you had a good point, Joe. I read it."
FrankBl says, "yes it so entertaining"
JoeSa says, "thanks Wendy"
ShannonMc says, "makes me realize how good my life is"
WendyFr says, "you are welcomed"
FrankBl says, "no kidding"
Mr.Cole says, "So, who are the leaders?"
JenniferCa says, "not mine"
MiMa says, "me""
JoeSa says, "everyone must have talked about rich"
MaggieCa says, "Mi Anne"
FrankBl says, "Jason"
ShannonMc says, "of course we talked about her"
WendyFr says, "I think so"
JenniferCa says, "yeah lets meet the guy"
FrankBl says, "Shannon did you see that"
ShannonMc says, "I sure did. It's going to be good!!!"
ShannonMc says, "it's hard to watch and type"
FrankBl says, "I know what I will be doing for the next hour"
JenniferCa says, "too hot for tv part 2!!"
JasonOg says, "we decided that Newman and Rich are similar in that they want people to be educated and be free thinkers. Yet, by the way they express their oppinions is different. Newman trys to persuade you to his views, while Rich tried to p
ush and beat her views on you."
ShannonMc says, "it's going to be good"
Mr.Cole says, "So, Mi, what did your group have to say about Rich?"
FrankBl says, "good job Jason"
ScottFr has arrived.
JenniferCa says, "go Jason"
JasonOg says, "thank you"
ShannonMc says, "go group three!!"
NickSm has arrived.
AndrewGo has arrived.
JasonOg says, "did Mr.Cole even read it"
KurtDa has arrived.
MiMa says, "we thought her ideas didn't cahnge and that she may have been a little harsh, but her views where right""
ShannonMc says, "i hope he did. It was good"
NickSm says, "group two leader here"
WendyFr says, "good point, Mi!"
FrankBl says, "I hope so because it was good but I will paste it again"
ScottFr say, "sweet"
JasonOg says, "don't worry Frank"
ScottFr gives a thumbs up to Nick
JulieOw has arrived.
MiMa says, "and also, i think that sometimes you have to use a little force for people to hear you""
WendyFr says, "right on"
ShannonMc says, "i think she uses a little too much though"
JoeSa says, "I hear that!"
MaggieCa laughs
ShannonMc says, "she got her point across"
FrankBl says, "we decided that Newman and Rich are similar in that they want people to be educated and be free thinkers. Yet, by the way they express their oppinions is different. Newman trys to persuade you to his views, while Rich tried to p
ush and beat her views on you.""
ShannonMc says, "frank, it's back on!"
FrankBl says, "I know"
JasonOg says, "good job Frank"
JenniferCa says, "oh yeah we rule"
ScottFr say, "Rich is a how do you say "Femni-nazi""
FrankBl says, "any time"
AnandVy says, "What do you mean "beat and push"?"
Mr.Cole says, "Interesting point, Mi. Jason was saying that Rich is TOO forceful. What do you think?"
AnandVy says, "No such thing as too forceful."
JasonOg says, "too much force is unattractive to a listener"
MiMa says, "noone has to listen to her. But if she tries to use force, people will listen""
JenniferCa says, "how do you figure that Anand"
ShannonMc says, "i agree Jason"
Mr.Cole says, "Well, Anand, if you disillusion your audience, no matter how good the argument is, they won't listen."
FrankBl says, "i agree with Jason"
KurtDa says, "true"
JasonOg says, "yeah, Mr. Cole"
MiMa says, "still, she's a woman, people might not have taken her seriously""
WendyFr says, "I agree, Mr. Cole"
MaggieCa says, "if a person is too forceful then that person loses the interest of some of his/her listeners"
ShannonMc says, "good point Mr. C"
Mr.Cole says, "Nick, this is a bit off the topic y'all discussed. But how do you think Newman fits in?"
JenniferCa says, "but she was speaking in front of girls"
AnandVy says, "But we're talking about quantity of force here."
FrankBl says, "just because she is a woman should not madder it is her point that madders"
JasonOg says, "You don't want to intimidate possible supporters"
JoeSa says, "true"
Mr.Cole says, "Good point, Jenny. We should keep the audience and the context in mind."
WendyFr says, "I agree with you, Frank"
MiMa says, "to get them to listen.""
NickSm says, "I agree that they both push the need for freedom in learning but they use different approaches in arguing."
FrankBl says, "Shannon are you watching this"
MiMa says, "i'm not saying she had a good arguement. I'm saying sometimes people need a little incentive""
ShannonMc says, "I sure am!"
Mr.Cole says, "Under the circumstances in which Rich was speaking, was her tone justified?"
ScottFr say, "NO"
JoeSa says, "I think they were"
JasonOg says, "no"
JenniferCa says, "yes her tone was justified"
ShannonMc says, "I don't think so"
Mr.Cole says, "Why not, Scott?"
AndrewGo says, "No"
KurtDa says, " I don't think so"
MiMa says, " I believe she had a right. ""
ShannonMc says, "it was too justified"
MaggieCa says, "I don't really know"
NickSm says, "no, she was just as sexist as the men that she implied..."
AnandVy says, "Isn't speech of any kind always justified?"
JulieOw says, "yes, I felt she was justified"
JasonOg says, "good point"
JoeSa says, "Women in her day were frowned upon if they got the so called powerful jobs"
ScottFr say, "arguements are more likely to be won by using an easy going manner with an intelligent arguement at hand"
Mr.Cole says, "Perhaps I should have said 'advisable'"
KurtDa says, "agreed Nick"
MiMa says, "She is talking about women being put down. With a strong tone, she is fighting back""
AnandVy says, "She was angry."
ScottFr say, "being forceful just pisses people off and nothing gets done"
JenniferCa says, "the speech was made in 79...women werent too powerless then"
JasonOg says, "and anger causes irrationability"
ShannonMc says, "frank, I hope they fight"
KurtDa says, "but she, as Nick said, was just as sexist as the men she was talking about."
JoeSa says, "I think that tension has been built up over many years of roleplaying"
Mr.Cole says, "Anger is a powerful and dangerous emotion."
Dr.Ballif leaves.
FrankBl says, "they will"
MiMa says, "how could she argue with a passive tone?""
ShannonMc says, "I agree with Joe"
ScottFr say, "easily"
ScottFr say, "just state the facts"
ShannonMc says, "frank....."
FrankBl says, "I know"
NickSm says, "hey, ya'll i'd love to stay, but its time..."
JenniferCa says, "so she was bent over huh?"
JasonOg says, "its past time"
MiMa says, "no. Would you argue in a passive tone if you where being treated unfairly?""
ScottFr say, "no kidding, I gotta go to work"
JoeSa says, "Women have had to deal with the fact that they have had to be housewives and other jobs that arent taken as seriously as they should be"
FrankBl says, "I have things to do right Shannon"
JulieOw says, "that would be boring Scott, just to state the facts won't win you an argument"
AnandVy says, "Injustice desrves an angry tone not a passive one."
Mr.Cole says, "Unfortunately, we're out of time again. Keep this question of HOW people argue in mind as you continue reading. I'll see y'all back here tomorrow."
ShannonMc says, "huh??"
ShannonMc says, "what frank?"
NickSm goes out.
MaggieCa goes out.
JasonOg goes out.
FrankBl says, "see ya'll"
MiMa says, "bye""
ShannonMc goes out.
MiMa goes out.
ScottFr say, "see you tomorrow MR. Cole"
WendyFr says, "bye"
FrankBl goes out.
AndrewGo says, "out"
JulieOw has disconnected.
AndrewGo goes out.
JoeSa goes out.
ScottFr have disconnected.
JenniferCa says, "later "
JenniferCa has disconnected.
KurtDa says, "bye guts"
Mr.Cole waves cheerfully.
KurtDa says, "guys"
WendyFr says, "guts?"
KurtDa goes out.
AnandVy says, "Bye."
WendyFr goes out.
AnandVy goes out.
End log: Monday, January 26, 1998 4:18:28 pm Virtual Park Hall time --